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madmavsgirl	Jason Kidd's Dismal 2-8 Western Conference Playoff Record - Axe-Grind	Lead	[-]
(07/27/10 06:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : jason, kidd Remove this ad In another thread sukmydirk said I had an axe to grind regarding Jason Kidd. In that thread the answer was false. I was simply comparing Chris Paul's wanting out of New Orleans to Jason Kidd wanting out of New Jersey. I understand why both guys wanted out. Well if suk wants to accuse me of axe-grinding, then here it is! Have at it suk, this is my official Jason Kidd axe-grinding thread. Dispute it if you want, but it's pretty damning evidence. Jason Kidd's playoff success in the Western Conference. Phoenix Kidd Era (5 seasons) 96-97 - lost in 1st round 97-98 - lost in 1st round 98-99 - lost in 1st round 99-00 - lost in 2nd round 00-01 - lost in 1st round Dallas Kidd Era II (3 Seasons) 07/08 - lost in in 1st round 08/09 - lost in 2nd round 09/10 - lost in 1st round Jason Kidd Phoenix Era Playoff Record: series won = 1, series lost = 5 Jason Kidd Dallas Era II Playoff Record: series won 1, series lost 3 Jason Kidd's Western Conference Playoff record: series won = 2, series lost = 8. Dallas Nash Era (5 seasons) 99-00 - Missed Playoffs 00-01 - lost in 2nd round 01-02 - lost in 2nd round 02-03 - lost in WCF 03-04 - lost in 1st round Nash Dallas Era: Series won = 4, series lost = 4 Phoenix Nash Era II (6 Seasons) 04-05 - lost in WCF 05-06 - lost in WCF 06-07 - lost in 2nd round 07-08 - lost in 1st round 08-09 - Missed Playoffs 09-10 - Lost in WCF Nash Phoenix II Era: Series won = 7, series lost = 5 Nash Western Conference Playoff Record: Series won = 11, series lost = 9 Dallas Jet/Devin PG Era 04-05 - lost in 2nd round 05-06 - lost in NBA Finals 06-07 - lost in 1st round Jet/Devin PG Era: Series won = 4, series lost = 3 ******************************************************************* So what does all of this mean? Every playoff team (Phoenix or Dallas) not run by Jason Kidd won at least 50% of their playoff series. Jason Kidd led Western Conference Playoff teams have won 20% of their playoff series. 75% (6 of 8) Jason Kidd Western Conference Playoff teams have lost in the 1st round. 9 of 12 non-Jason Kidd led Western Conference Playoff teams have at least won the first round playoff series. Jason Kidd had a nice playoff run in perhaps the weakest era of the Eastern Conference ever. When the East began getting better the Nets began to flounder. I'm not going to discredit what Kidd did in the East because it's not his fault the competition sucked, but when he's had to face playoff competition in the much stronger Western Conference he has failed to lead his team out of the first round time and time again. Many people here claim he is the greatest PG of All Time, at least the greatest of his era, but when facing the best competition the NBA can offer he has failed. So defend his Western Conference Playoff Record if you can. There you go, my official "Jason Kidd axe-to-grind". Last Edited By: madmavsgirl 07/27/10 08:51. Edited 2 times.
Ericus		#1	[-]
(07/27/10 06:59) Badger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think you are onto something. I still think the Kidd trade was a mistake, in both the short (playoff "success") and long term (he's freaking 800 years old, losing Harris and draft picks, etc). The results (or lack thereof) speak for themselves.
Gr8Maverick		#2	[-]
(07/27/10 07:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I agree with MMG. Kidd maybe good but is way overrated. I feel that our failures over the last few playoff series has more to do with "over reliance on Kidd" than anything else.
And1Mak		#3	[-]
(07/27/10 07:33) DB's Daily Llama Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This is a long and depressing, yet honest and truthful, 'axe' all of Mavsland must face sooner or later. Some, like Ericus, have already felt the blow. For others, it's just a matter of time.
Roddy Buckets		#4	[-]
(07/27/10 07:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Maybe it has to do with Terry never showing up, Howard hardly showing up, Marion not showing up, Harris not really showing up, Damp never showing up. Kidd has been mediocre in the playoffs but it has nothing to do with him.
joinmyrant		#5	[-]
(07/27/10 07:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	No man is an island. ~some guy on an island
thedong		#6	[-]
(07/27/10 07:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Jason Kidd went scoreless in a 20-point blowout to the Detroit Pistons in Game 7 of the 2004 Eastern Conference Semifinals. FACTS ARE FACTS
Searril		#7	[-]
(07/27/10 07:42) Avery Hater - Donnie Apologist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Good grief.
madmavsgirl		#8	[-]
(07/27/10 07:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ericus wrote: I think you are onto something. I still think the Kidd trade was a mistake, in both the short (playoff "success") and long term (he's freaking 800 years old, losing Harris and draft picks, etc). The results (or lack thereof) speak for themselves. I get accused for hating on Kidd a lot here and I'm fine with that. I just think that the God-Like worship he recieves here is insane. I won't dispute that he's been a very good player, but the best PG of a generation and one of the Top 5 PGs to have ever played the game? I think that's a stretch. Fun Jason Kidd Eastern Conference Playoff Fact: In Kidd's tenure with the Nets they beat exactly one 50 win team in the playoffs. One. They beat a 50-32 pre-Rasheed Wallace Pistons team coached by Rick Carlisle in 02/03. In six playoff seasons Jason Kidd and the Nets would only face two other 50 win Eastern Conference playoff teams and they lost both times. In six years ONE series win against a 50 win Eastern Conference Playoff team. That's tough competition!
madmavsgirl		#9	[-]
(07/27/10 07:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	And1Mak wrote: This is a long and depressing, yet honest and truthful, 'axe' all of Mavsland must face sooner or later. Some, like Ericus, have already felt the blow. For others, it's just a matter of time. It's a tough job but someone has to do it. If I'm going to be accused on grinding an axe I'm going to really grind an axe and make all the Kidd apologists uncomfortable in the process. That's just the way I roll here! Last Edited By: madmavsgirl 07/27/10 08:15. Edited 1 times.
froggy		#10	[-]
(07/27/10 07:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Remove this ad This is the saddest truth that we have to realize for TWO more years.
Ericus		#11	[-]
(07/27/10 08:04) Badger Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Roddy Buckets wrote: Maybe it has to do with Terry never showing up, Howard hardly showing up, Marion not showing up, Harris not really showing up, Damp never showing up. Kidd has been mediocre in the playoffs but it has nothing to do with him. When you can compare the team's pre-Kidd success to the team's success with Kidd, one might conclude that it does have something to do with him.
LiL Stevie728		#12	[-]
(07/27/10 08:08) DB Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	He should be playing less than 30 minutes a game. The man is 37 years old...why they still want him trying to carry the team with Dirk makes no sense to me. The biggest plus that can come out of this summer is the Mavs realizing that they can't overplay Kidd and Terry anymore. Sure they still put up numbers but hell, give any player so many minutes in the regular season and they'll put up attractive stats. Their play in the playoffs truly depicts the type of players they are now. Kidd at 30 minutes/game max and Terry at 25/game max and it's a win.
madmavsgirl		#13	[-]
(07/27/10 08:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Fun Jason Kidd Playoff Fact #2. In 14 Playoff appearances Jason Kidd led teams have won exactly 3 playoff series vs 50+ win teams. One was vs a 50-32 pre-Rasheed Wallace Detroit Pistons team coached by none other than Rick Carlisle. The other two he beat the Spurs. With an asterik. With the Suns in 99/00, Jason Kidd led the Suns to a 3-1 first round victory over the Spurs. Well guess who didn't play in that series? Tim Duncan. Who replaced Duncan in the playoffs? Samaki Walker! The other playoff series vs a 50+ win team? 08/09 vs an injury depleted Spurs team. The evidence is quite damning. The "Best Point Guard of His Generation" has won exactly three playoff series in 14 playoff appearances against 50+ win teams. You know the guy with the highest BBIQ in the NBA. The guy who makes everyone around him better. When faced with real competition (especially healthy 50+ win teams) his playoff track record is abysmal. Make all the excuses you want, but it's all here. The "Best Point Guard of His Generation" should have a better showing against real competition. Last Edited By: madmavsgirl 07/27/10 08:34. Edited 1 times.
dart		#14	[-]
(07/27/10 08:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Chicken and egg time. Is Kidd "failing" due to the way he's being used, or are we misusing him because he can't do it any more? As I've said before, the Mav offense stinks. It needs to be tossed.
guitargodofshred		#15	[-]
(07/27/10 08:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Can't wait for the Roddy Dojo back court. It is really needing to be developed so we can have it ready and then use of Butler at the 2 with very limited Terry and about 30 mins of Kidd. He needs to rest it up for the play offs. Both Roddy and Dojo can play PG well enough if we develop them. Would a been nice to have kept Lin.
thedong		#16	[-]
(07/27/10 08:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	MMG is like a female, more articulate, less vile version of me.
A Hipster		#17	[-]
(07/27/10 08:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	thedong wrote: MMG is like a female, more articulate, less vile version of me. Piss off, Gee I hate you so much. I wish you would just go away.
sukmydirk41		#18	[-]
(07/27/10 08:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	first of all, who are "all these people around here" that are trumpeting kidd as the "greatest PG of all time"? start naming them off--it should come easy to you since there are so many around here saying this... next, let's delve a little further into these playoff records... in his first playoff series loss in 1997, he was traded to the suns two months into the year (from your dallas mavericks) and still managed to guide the suns to the 7th seed. not exactly a shocking chain of events for a 7th seed to fall to a 2nd seed, especially when that team was just coming off of a finals appearance the season before (seattle supersonics). in 1998, they managed to nab the 4th seed and, yes, did fall in the first round to the 5th seed who happened to be the DRob/Duncan-led SA Spurs, who as a matter of fact, went on to win a title the following year. if you feel that losing a toss-up, 4-5 matchup to a good team is some earth-shattering reason to knock the resume' of jason kidd, well, it's not like you don't admit to having an axe to grind... your "facts" from the 98-99 season are flat-out wrong. you say the suns lost in the 2nd rd, when again, they were a 7th seed and lost in the first round. in 99-00, you were wrong again (shocking, i know!)... they actually made it out of the first round that year (as a 5th seed) and fell in the 2nd rd to eventual champions, the shaq-kobe-led, about-to-go-on-a-3 peat lakers. apparently it's some nail in his coffin to dare lose a series like that, right? in 2001, they were again a low seed--6th, and lost to the sacramento kings. so let's recap... his team was an underdog, without HCA in four out of those five seasons. the only time his team had HCA, it was as a 4th seed. and three out of the four teams they lost to were either in the finals the year before, one a title the next year, or won a title the same year that they beat the suns. i'm failing to see what exactly his crime is here... are you blaming him for being the sole reason that his teams were mediocre-to-average playoff teams? was he supposed to have easily won more of these series that his team was the underdog? only in a bizarro, moron/ i just have an axe to grind world, can you clowns try to smear a resume' like jason kidd's while also trying to paint some picture that shows us that not only is harris the better player since the mavs re-acquired kidd in 2008, but he's also better than a jason kidd in his prime in the late 90s-early 2000s...
SneakerPro		#19	[-]
(07/27/10 08:37) DB Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	None of this info surprises me. Jason Kidd is at his best in an uptempo fast break system. In the playoffs the game slows down which reduces Kidd's effectiveness. This is also reason 1023434234 why trading for him was stupid for a team trying to win a championship.
GetKiddARing		#20	[-]
(07/27/10 08:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Remove this ad Fun Jason Kidd Fact: Jason Kidd has never lost in international play. Thus, on the world's biggest stage, Kidd has consistently outperformed players like Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Iverson, Melo etc. Players like Lebron and Wade were unable to win a gold medal without Jason Kidd, establishing him as one of the best players in the world. Whee, twisting the facts to fit our ridiculous arguments is fun!

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Jason Kidd's Dismal 2-8 Western Conference Playoff Record - Axe-Grind

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